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            V-4    Their Children


    ● Kroms (Croms) or Van Meterens?

When Jan Joosten "and wife" arrived in New Amsterdam in 1662, they were accompanied by five children whose ages were carefully recorded—fifteen, twelve, nine, six, and "two-and-a-half"—but regrettably not their names.  Patronymics would have been especially welcome, to determine which of the five were sons and/or daughters of Willem Gijsbertsz Krom, and which of Jan Joosten van Meteren.

Compounding this mystery is the fact that Jan and Maycken's will mentions only four children: two sons, Joost and Gysbert, and two daughters, Geertje and the late Lysbeth.  Who was the other child?  And in what order were the five born, and to which father?  As per usual, many webgens offer varying answers to these questions.  As we sort them out, two perspectives emerge:

1.  The "Van Meteren" standpoint, with all the children Jan Joosten's and born in the following order:
          ●  1647:  Lysbet(h) Van Meteren
          ●  1650:  Catherine Van Meteren
          ●  1653:  Geertje Van Meteren
          ●  1656:  Joost Janse(n) Van Meteren
          ●  1660:  Gysbert Janse(n) Van Meteren

2.  The "Crom" standpoint, with the first three or four children Willem's and born in the following order:
          ●  c.1647:  Hendrick Willems Crom
          ●  c.1650:  Lysbet Willems(e) Crom
          ●  c.1653:  Gysbert Willems Crom
          ●  c.1656:  Geertje [Willems] Crom
          ●  c.1660:  Joost Jansen Van Meteren

Two other child-candidates are easily dismissable.  One is Floris Willems Krom or Crom, included by ~randall (as a "she").  ~luke says Floris, who emigrated to America before 1662, was "purported" to be the son of Willem by a first wife Janetje.  Floris has in fact been identified by ~walkersj as Willem's cousin (see the Krom Tree).  The other child-candidate is alluded to by ~hendrick:

Jane Hendrick's identity is unknown.  It is widely reported in published genealogies and on the Internet that she was Jannetze Van Meyer, daughter of Macyken Hendrickson and Jon Josten [sic] Van Meter, and a first cousin of Hance Hendrick ... However, there is not a shred of documentation to support this claim and, in fact, there is no evidence that Jon Josten Van Meter (an immigrant to New Jersey who never set foot in Virginia) even had a daughter of that name.

As the Crom and Van Meteren perspectives agree—more or less—on four of the five children, we will review what is known (and has been guessed) about these four, then consider some attempts to identify the Other Child.


A.K.A. Lysbeth, Elisabet, Elisabeth, Elizabeth, Lysbedt, Lybet, Lisbet, Lysberth, Lyebeth, Lsybeth, and Lysbeyh: the eldest daughter of Maycken and Willem Krom, probably born circa 1650 in Opijnen, and named after both her grandmothers (Lysbet Voet and Lysbet Cornelisdr).  In Kingston, New York on/about October 28, 1668 she married Joost Adriaensen (Adriaenszen) van Pynacker, the widower of Femmetje Hendricks of Meppel.  Joost was also known by the surname Molenaer (Miller).  He and Lysbet had four children:

          ●  Jannetie, baptized April 5, 1672
          ●  Adrian, born circa 1675
          ●  Willem, baptized October 13, 1678
          ●  Hendrick, baptized April 24, 1681

Lysbet's stepfather Jan Joosten was a sponsor at the baptisms of Jannetie, Willem, and Hendrick; it would appear that Jannetie was named after him.  Lysbet died before July 9, 1681, when Joost married his third wife, Maria Hay(s); provision was made for Lysbet's children in Jan and Maycken's will, drawn up on December 16th of that year.  Joost in turn died before October 17, 1683, when "the last will and Testament of Joost Adrians, deceased, was proved"—appointing Jan Joosten "as tutor or overseer."


A.K.A. Geertjen, Geertse, Geertze, Geertie, Geertrud, Gertrude, Gerithje, Greetje, "Girty Jans," and (in one webgen) Meertie: the second daughter of Maycken and Willem Krom, probably born circa 1656 in Opijnen.  Since Willem's sisters were named Willemken and Heylken (see the Krom Tree), Geertje might be named after an unknown sister of Maycken.  Then too, ~walkersj lists Geertje without the patronymic Willems, which might start us wondering whether she could have been Jan Joosten's daughter and so truly "Girty Jans"; but even webgens with the "Van Meteren" standpoint give Geertje the surname Krom or Crom—some explaining this by marrying her off to "Gysbert Krom of Marbletown," who was in reality her own brother.

Geertje actually married Jan Hamel (Hammel, Hammell), the son of Dirk Theodorus van Hamel and Sophia van Wijckersloot, circa 1682.  Geertje and Jan had six children:

          ●  Catrine or Catherina, baptized October 14, 1683
          ●  Elizabeth or Elysabeth, baptized July 25, 1686
          ●  Jan [John Jr.], baptized August 26, 1688
          ●  Mayken or Mary, born about April 1693
          ●  William, born about 1695
          ●  Michal [a daughter], born about 1697

Geertje's stepfather Jan Joosten was a sponsor at the baptisms of the first three children.  (Notice that by the later 1680s and '90s, strict adherence to Dutch naming customs has begun to lapse.)

In 1695 the Hamels/Hammels/Hammells accompanied Jan Joosten and Maycken to East Jersey, living in Lazy (Lassa or Lessa) Point in Burlington County.  Geertje died before February 14, 1703, when Jan married Christina Van Roosevelt; Jan died in 1734.


A.K.A. Gilbert: the son (eldest? second?) or Maycken and Willem Krom, probably born circa 1653 in Opijnen, and named after Willem's father.  Webgens identifying him as "Gysbert Janse(n)" tend to make him the youngest child, due to Joost Jansen's being shown preference in Jan Joosten will: "It develops that Joost Janse was the elder son, and, according to the provisions therein, received the heir-at-law's usual double portion."

Or Jan Joosten may simply have favored his blood son over his stepson.  As if to add indignity, some webgens depict Gysbert marrying "Geertje van Meteren"—his own sister.  In fact he married Geertie Arents van Vliet circa 1672 in Marbletown, New York; she was the daughter of Adrian Gerritsen van Vliet and Agatha Jans Spruyt.  Gysbert and Geertie had nine children:

          ●  Catherine, born circa 1673 in Kingston
          ●  Willem, born October 15, 1675 in Marbletown
          ●  Mayken, baptized October 31, 1677 in Kingston
          ●  Gysbert, baptized February 9, 1679
          ●  Dirck, born circa 1681
          ●  Hendrick (Hendric or Henric), baptized December 9, 1683 in Kingston
          ●  Aegjen (Achie), baptized January 31, 1686 in Kingston
          ●  Zacharias, baptized March 5, 1688 in Kingston; Lysbeth's twin
          ●  Lysbeth (Elizabeth), baptized March 5, 1688 in Kingston; Zacharias's twin

Perhaps significantly, Jan Joosten did not serve as sponsor at any of Gysbert's children's baptisms.  (Maycken did once, at Hendrick's.)

A foot soldier in the militia from 1670, Gysbert was a lieutenant by 1700.  In 1705 he conveyed "his interest in the estate of Jan Joosten which was bequeathed unto him" to Joost Jansen's son John Van Metre; and witnessed a similar conveyance from Maycken to her grandson.  By 1709 Gysbert was a trustee of Marbletown, still listed as an officer (though "an old man") on its military roll.  He died before October 24, 1724, when the Ulster County Coroner claimed expense money for "enquiry of the body."

    Joost Jansen

A.K.A. Joost Jans, Joost Janse, Jooste Jans, Jooste Jansen, Joosten J., Joste Jans, and (in one webgen) Jooste Hansen: evidently the only child of Maycken and Jan Joosten, born in 1659 or 1660 in the Tielerwaard, and named after Jan Joosten's father.  The "Van Meteren" standpoint has Joost born a few years earlier, in 1656; which minor adjustment makes a major difference in the Legend of Joost Jansen Among the Indians.  (See Chapter V-8 for this and the rest of Joost's life, including his wife and children.)

    The Case for Hendrick

Hendrick, according to the prime Krom/Crom webgens ~walkersj and ~mountgen/crom, was the eldest child of Maycken and Willem; but other than his being born circa 1647, nothing more is said about him.  ~luke adds that Hendrick was born in Opijnen but discounts him as one of Maycken's children, associating him instead with Floris.

If Hendrick did accompany Maycken and Jan Joosten to America in 1662 as the "fifteen-year-old," why is there no further mention of him?  The most likely reason would be that he died without issue, due to illness or accident—or even the 1663 attack on Wiltwyck by the Esopus Indians.  Then again we can be imaginative and speculate that Hendrick, after quarreling with his stepfather Jan, might have taken off for parts unknown and never been heard from again.  Either way it would have been a calamity, or at the very least inconvenient, for a farming family to lose its oldest boy—lost not only to them, but posterity and Fine Lineage as well.

    The Case for Maria

~luke declares that Maria Willems Krom, born circa 1656, was the Other Child of Maycken and Willem.  Maria married Dirck Janssen Schepmoes circa 1671; he was born 1648 in New Amsterdam, the son of Jan Janszen Schepmoes and Sarah Pieters van Orcum, who had emigrated to America by 1638.  Maria and Dirck had seven children:
          ●  Johannes (Jan), baptized April 7, 1672
          ●  Sarah, born circa 1674
          ●  Dirkje (Dirrickje), born circa 1676
          ●  Ragel (Rachel), born 1678
          ●  Lea, baptized September 4, 1681
          ●  Willem, baptized June 9, 1684
          ●  Rebecca, baptized November 6, 1687

Schepmoes family webgens confirm that Maria was a Krom with the patronymic Willems—but only ~luke and ~longisland/conklin_0  connect her to Maycken's Willem Krom; the rest leave her parentless.  ~lgillins/krom and ~longisland/haven say Maria was born in New Netherland circa 1650, and that she married Dirck in 1669 in New Amsterdam.

Neither Maycken nor Jan Joosten sponsored the baptism of any of Maria's children; and neither Maria nor her children are mentioned in Jan and Maycken's 1681 will.  There is recorded interaction between Jan Joosten and Derick Schepmoes: after the death of Lysbet's widower Joost Adriaensen, Jan Joosten was appointed "arbitrator in proceedings regarding the sale of some land in Hurley, which had been sold to Derick Schepmoes by Adrience [sic] during his lifetime."  But while this arbitration might have resulted in a permanent breach between the two families, it didn't take place until 1685.

All this would suggest that Maria must have been the daughter of another Willem Krom.  In any event she presumably died between 1687, when her last child was born, and 1703, when Dirck married Margariet (Grietje) Tappen.  Dirck lived on till 1723-24.

    The Case for Catherine

While the "Crom" standpoint supports Hendrick (or Maria) as the Other Child, the "Van Meteren" standpoint is united behind Catherine (A.K.A. Catharine and Cathrin), born circa 1650 between Lysbet and Geertje.  Her absence from Jan Joosten and Maycken's will was explained by ~barbpretz/rogers as follows:

Another daughter, not named in the will, is supposed to have been Cathrin, and can only be accounted for by her marriage and in having received her portion and so disappears from consideration in the distribution of the property.

Geertje is mentioned in the 1681 will, but may not have married Jan Hamel till 1682; so let us pursue the case for Catherine.  Some "Crom" webgens accept her as "Catherine Crom Van Metre" (or Van Metre, or Van Metern).  All but one of the Catherine webgens agree she married Hendrick Mollenauer—or some variation on that name—and was the mother of Margaret Mollenauer, who would be the second wife of Jan Joosten's grandson John Van Metre and mother of most of his children.

Postponing study of Hendrick for a moment, note should be taken of ~garykueber's claim that Catherine Willemsen Crom married twice: first to "Ari van Etten" in 1695, then to "Hendrick Cortregt" in 1703.  In actuality this was a different Catherine Crom, the eldest child of Gysbert Willems Krom of Marbletown: born circa 1673, marrying first Adriaen (Arian, Arie) van Etten in 1694; then, after his death in 1702, marrying Hendrick Hendrickson Kortreght.

The Miller's Sons

Molenaar is modern Dutch for "Miller": an occupational surname often encountered, not least among Netherlanders.  Among the many alternate spellings are Mollenauer, Mulinaar and Molenaer—the latter associated with Joost Adriaensen van Pynacker, who is said to have operated an Ulster County grist mill starting in 1658.  At least one attempt has been made to identify Joost and Lysbet's son Hendrick (baptized 1681) with the Hendrick Mollenauer whom many webgens show as the husband of Catherine (Crom) Van Meteren—though this would mean she married her own nephew.

Were Joost, the husband of Lysbet, and Hendrick, the father of Lysbet's step-nephew's second wife, among the "hundreds of (presumably) unrelated Millers out there"—as ~roots-l/96aug remarks?  Or could there have been some other, more direct affiliation between them?  ~billmargy and ~randall state that Hendrick ("Hendryz") was the son of Andrian Molenaar/Mollenauer and Vermeulan or Vernmulean.  Given the "elasticity" of the name Adriaen (Adriaan, Arian, Arien, Aert, etc.), it is not inconceivable that Hendrick and Joost Adriaensen could have been brothers; though ~dutchcolonies/joost says Joost was the son of Adriaen Dircksen, the miller of Pijnacker (Pynacker), and his wife Chieltgen Pieterse.

If there was no "Catherine Van Meteren," who married Hendrick and was Margaret's mother?  There was a Catherine (Catalina) Bodine who married a Hendrick/Hendrix Mulliner/Mullinor/Mullinar and had five children: Yost/Joost, Arience/Ariency, Jan/John, Maryken/Mary, and Lisabet/Lisebet/Elizabeth.  This Hendrick was "one of the pioneer settlers of the South Branch" in New Jersey; he died in Somerset County in 1719, and Joost Jansen's son Isaac Van Metre was appointed as his executor, with brothers John and Henry Van Metre as fellow-bondsmen.  Isaac supposedly married Hendrick's widow Catalina.

But this was not the Hendrick Mollenauer whose daughter Margaret was born in Somerset County in 1687 and married John Van Metre in 1710.  Meaning there were two, in separate generations: the Hendrick who died in 1719 was born circa 1681, meaning he could have been Margaret's brother and the older Hendrick's son (and possibly Joost Adriaensen's nephew).  Or he could have been Joost and Lysbet's son who was baptized in 1681—note that Hendrick himself had children named Joost (Yost) and Lisabet.

Or all three of them—Hendrick, Lysbet's Joost, and Margaret's father—might have been unrelated men who operated mills, or were the sons or grandsons of millers—and so would go on to be muddlers of webgens, three centuries after their deaths.





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